Why Maulana Qadri and Cricketer Khan can’t save Pakistan

Pakistan has two angry messiahs, the Maulana and the Cricketer. Both are men of fine oratory — the former being more gifted. They promise to kick wicked leaders out of government, reward the righteous, and deliver a new Pakistan.
Before a coup-plagued nation that has spent many decades under military rule, they preach to adulating under-30 crowds about the corruption of the present rulers. But neither dares to touch Pakistan’s real issues. Both are careful to castigate only the corruption of civilians; there is nary a word about the others.
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REAL PROBLEMS OF TODAY’S PAKISTAN

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by Pervez Hoodbhoy

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Notr for WoP readers: Apropos the grand “Tamasha” organised by reverend Dr. Tahirul Qadri, there is an interesting column written by Muhammad Izharul Haq SEE http://e.dunya.com.pk/colum.php?date=2013-01-08&edition=ISL&id=2927_47351552

So dear readers: INTIZAR KEE JIYAY AUR DEKHIYAY. HAZRAT KI PATARI SE ABHI BUHAT SI AUR SHISHIYAN ITTAR KI NIKLAIN GI.

The Maulana who promised a revolution and mesmerised his followers with his rhetoric, didn’t utter a single word against the massacre of 119 innocent Pakistanis in Quetta, a man who issued a long fatwa against terrorism in the name of Islam didn’t offer any solution to combat and eliminate the scourge of terrorism from the sacred soil of Pakistan, did not suggest any remedy to bring the country out of the economic malaise, a malaise which in conjunction with religious fanaticism is eating up Pakistan to its very core, a man who started a big tamasha against the current most corrupt leadership governing Pakistan, at the end signed the Islamabad Long March Declaration, from which I neither see a solution nor anything

1: addressing our energy crisis [Na bijli, na gas, na pani. Its a fight of Hussainiyat vs. Yazeediyat, cried Maulana T. Qadri for 4 long days in the almost freezing temperatures of Islamabad D-Chowk].

2: to eliminate the problem of terrorism in Pakistan.

3: no solution either for our youth to get education, and no jobs for the youth who is educated, who under utter dismay are getting frustrated to the extent of being tempted towards terror infested religiosity.

4: no solution/economic remedy to cure the ills afflicting Pakistan.

All I can see the Islamabad March Declaration gave our Maulana the privilege of ‘Mushawarat’ with current government [for his own person]. But what about the aspirations, the dreams, the learned Maulana painted before the young ones, the seniors, the mothers, and the daughters of this nation, who saw in T. Qadri a Messiah, who with a magic wand, would get their grievances, their trials and tribulations, their vows and sorrows redressed and would get for them the gas, bijli, pani and much more. Alas, all their dreams have been shattered. The only show we now see now is a group of his Madrassas’ students dancing in frenzy as if their Maulana had dislodged the present government and had got himself seated instead, on the throne of Islamabad.

KHUDAWANDA YE TERAY SADA DIL BANDAY KIDHAR JAEN
KE DARWAISHI BHI AYYARI HAE, SULTANI BHI AYYARI.

Nayyar

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Pakistan has two angry messiahs, the Maulana and the Cricketer. Both are men of fine oratory — the former being more gifted. They promise to kick wicked leaders out of government, reward the righteous, and deliver a new Pakistan.

Before a coup-plagued nation that has spent many decades under military rule, they preach to adulating under-30 crowds about the corruption of the present rulers. But neither dares to touch Pakistan’s real issues. Both are careful to castigate only the corruption of civilians; there is nary a word about the others.

Inspired by his fiery rhetoric, for four days the Maulana’s youthful Lashkar-e-Qadri had occupied D-Chowk, Islamabad’s version of Tahrir Square. The cheering, chanting, flag-waving crowd was joyous at the verdict ordering the arrest of Prime Minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf. The precise timing owed to another one of Pakistan’s putative saviours — the honourable Chief Justice of Pakistan.

In this age of discontent, assorted demagogues have mastered the art of mobilising the credulous masses. Corruption, say the Maulana and the Cricketer, is Pakistan’s central problem. Utopia will come if honest and pious men — perhaps themselves — are in power. But is crookedness and dishonesty the real issue? Countries which are perfectly viable and livable may still have corrupt governments.

Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has been convicted of everything from tax fraud to soliciting minors for sex, and yet Italy keeps getting richer and better. No one dares call it a failed state. Mitt Romney — who Barack Obama only barely defeated — parked his assets in the Cayman Islands and paid only a little more tax than Pakistan’s unscrupulous parliamentarians.

Corruption in the US is institutionalised to the point that Washington spent 10 trillion dollars of taxpayer money bailing out banks and corporations but no politician or CEO (with one exception) ended up behind the bars. Interestingly, according to the 2012 Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI), 70 per cent of the world’s people see their countries as more corrupt than good.

So then, what are Pakistan’s real problems today? If the lives of Pakistanis are to be improved, what is it that really needs to be done?
First, address the population problem.

Demographers estimate the expected number of Pakistanis in 2030 at a staggering 258 million, which must be compared with 28 million in 1947 as well as the current population of 180 million. This growth is the second highest among major Muslim countries in the world.

Even if we miraculously acquire the most perfect of political systems, it may be impossible to provide most Pakistanis with employment, education, food, housing, electricity, water, and a clean environment. Short of renting another planet, there is no way that the constraints of fixed land and water can be overcome.

This emergency situation demands that population planning must be reinstated and contraceptives be made freely available. Once upon a time, Pakistan had a population planning organisation. But it has essentially folded up in the face of religious opposition. The Jamaat-e-Islami’s party manifesto, and those of other religious parties, specifically forbids family planning. As for the Taliban: they suspect that polio vaccines are designed to reduce Muslim fertility and so have issued dire threats.

Last month, the TTP brought the immunisation programme to a halt by murdering five women and a man who were administering the shots in Karachi. So, instead of getting claps and cheers, our Messiahs might have to face bullets and bombs should they dare to rally people around this real issue.

Second, the terrorism of religious militias must be confronted head-on.

Their daily slaughter of Pakistani soldiers and citizens, and recently the Hazara Shias, elicits only the barest whimper of protest in the media or the public. In shameful surrender, there is talk of negotiating with terrorist groups. The lesson of Swat — where kowtowing to Sufi Mohammed’s ever-escalating demands led to increased ferocity from the other side — is forgotten. The army and the state stand in muddled confusion. They know they should actually negotiate only from a position of strength and not in their present condition of weakness. Unfortunately they cannot summon the courage to do this. The Maulana is silent on this critical matter, but the Cricketer prefers to attack those who might target Pakistan’s enemies. He would rather shoot at the drones than the terrorists.

Third, the promise of the Messiahs that they shall bring prosperity to everyone by somehow equalising the distribution of wealth is fake and dishonest, and un-implementable.

One would certainly welcome extending the tax net, and doing so would be a huge achievement. But to actually bring prosperity, wealth must be created rather than simply expropriated from somewhere. The only party that seems to give this any consideration is the PML-N. But industrial progress and a post-agricultural economy require cultural change, and so Pakistani society will need to transition from being a progress-unfriendly culture to one that welcomes and promotes progress.

From the time of the 19th century German sociologist Max Weber, social scientists have observed that culture and progress go hand-in-hand. Progress-friendly cultures demand planning, punctuality, deferred gratification, belief in rationality, and the rule of law. Without acquiring these features, wealth generation is slow and uncertain.

Fortunately, as it turned out, the ‘million-man march’ turned out to be a damp squib. Its victory would have resulted in indefinite postponement of the forthcoming national elections and Pakistan would have returned to a dreary tradition where no government has successfully completed its term in office.

During the occupation, messiah-junior was caught in a dilemma. Eclipsed by his senior and unable to join in the demand for postponement, he now seeks to clamber his way back into the public eye.

Pakistan’s restless young are out on the streets demanding change, but they must not become pawns of fake Messiahs. The fist-shaking, rostrum-pounding orations of Maulana Qadri and Cricketer Khan are empty thunder; they offer nothing real. Of course, the D-Chowk youth rightly protested Pakistan’s pseudo-democracy and its venal and incompetent civilian leaders. But the military’s attempt to landscape national politics — which is probably what rocketed the Maulana into his present prominence — could be disastrous and would go the way of the army’s past failed interventions. At a time when Pakistan is seriously threatened by internal terror, the military would do well to perform its real duty which is that of protecting Pakistan’s people.

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File:Pervez hoodbhoy.jpegThe writer holds a doctorate in Physics from the MIT. He retired as professor of Physics from the Quaid-e-Azam University, Islamabad. He is a prominent environmental & social activist and regularly writes on a wide range of social, cultural and environmental issues.

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  1. In simple way he is saying that VIPs or elite groups cannot bring change on massive level which is actual requirement of our collapsed system, surely they can bring localized changes in some areas of Pakistan.

    • @Nazia, Yes, I do agree with Hoodhbhoy. What to speak of revolution,which they so vehemently claim to cause, these VIPs or the elites of Pakistan cannot bring even a semblance of a change. Most of such claimants to the throne of Islamabad are the parties, groups and / or individuals of the status quo.

      I believed Imran Khan has the spark to bring some change in the much stagnated, rotten system of governance in Pakisatn, but quite surprisingly he too deluded himself by accepting the rejected lot as ‘electables’. As such though I still would prefer IK over the othe rotten lot, I do not find much hope in him either after this bunch of electables are now all around him. Naturally such status quoists have their own axes to grind and hence even IK would not be able to use his foresight for a change in Pakistan.

      • IK has diverted from his words in his first contest of selection before going to election. His past is dubious, his honesty as a social worker is remarkable, yet he cannot mark his political acumen which is an urgency requirement of Pakistan. All parties surely hold good politicians bu they are forced to work under their corrupt feudal leadership or you can say these are spread so that they cant concentrate on single forum to create tension for establishment. Khan’s new pick from all political junks means he started believing in status quo power in politics as this was his supplement too to grow as cricketer or politician too.We can only assume some kind of hope on marginal level, for some localized areas but big change cant appear seeing his performance in this field.

  2. The required change will come when the bio-bomb having extremists’ overtones will explode. Pak army will take over once again but this time it will be allowed to stay in power under the direct command of an international committee of expert scientists who are controlling the operation of Drones from the desert of Nevada. Taliban will not be not allowed to rule Pakistan by the international community.

    • Dear Dr. Tewari, Looks ke ‘aap din main bhi khwab daikhtay ho’. Biobomb has exploded already in Pakistan. The extremists are also doing their job. We are facing full brunt of the global war on terror. There are suicide attacks, bomb blasts and insurgencies in our land of the pure. But inspite of all these threats, challenges and mayhems, the resolve of the people of Pakistan to fight [the barbaric reincarnation of the Khawarij in Pakistan, sectarian feuds and highly corrupted, mismanaged governance] stays in tact. WE CAN, WE WILL, INSHA ALLAH.

      A regard your views on International committee of expert scientists, these are a wishful thinking for expert scientists do not indulge in geopolitical squabbles which anyway is not their forte. They remain restricted to their research labs instead of smearing their fingers in dirty games of doing politics within the community of nations, robbing one, arming the other and then reaping the benefits from the age old axiom of divide and rule, and thus what happens is: Larhtay larhtay ho gayi gum, aik ki chonch aur aik ki dum.

  3. @Dr. Nayyar, I appreciate your response to my day dreaming, with some due reservations.

    My wishful thinking has worked. Let the others decide what we are talking about.

    World over technocrats’ role in descision making process has increased at all levels even in the army. They are every where, even there where you wishfuly do not want to see them. Drones may be over us as well.
    It is a wishful thinking don’t take it seriouly.

    • @Dr. Tewari AK, You seem to be a confused mind. First you talk of international committee of expert scientists deciding geopolitical issues and now you talk of technocrats. First plz see the dictionary to find out definitions of a scientist and a technocrat.

      Army itself is a professionally trained force. It comprises of regiments from diffeent disciplines. As such you cannot compare army set ups with other institutions. Armies are led by army generals and not by expert scientists or technocrats.

      • Yeah, I perfectly agree with you Nazia. We cannot pin down much hope in IK either, now that he has become a tool [even though he may deny it vehemently and no matter, how many times he denies it], he like Bomb and Bullet Proof Container-fame Maulana Qadri, is nothing but a pawn in the hands of the establishment. Both may play directly or indirectly to maintain the status quo, in the hands of the Pakistani establishment. All their rhetoric for a change will be a change, of the powers of the status quo, by their status quo and for their status quo.

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  5. @ Dr. Nayyar, You say your army is led by generals, yet they are silently witnessing gross voilations of country’s sovereignty. It is the scientists and technocrates who are suggesting them about the ground realities.
    It is a wishful thinking don’t take it seriously

    • Dr. Tewari AK, With your confused mind, you try to compare oranges with apples. And your talking of scientists and technocrats is a master piece?????

      I would request you to plz concentrate seriously while you comment/contemplate and assert on diferent sociopolitical, religious and and other issues i.e. global politics etc. [NO RANTS]

  6. @ Dr. Nayyar
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  7. Then Dr Nayyar I will rant that only God or Drones from above in the sky can change the Pakistan.

    • Anil, since you are a rant-ful commenter but are good at heart, therefore, I do give latitude to you for your continuous rants which normally I do not appreciate on this forum.

      Interetingly Shubhra on a fellow blogger’s site http://reformistani.wordpress.com/2010/04/04/introduction-to-the-taliban/#comment-5677
      has posted a comment for you and I take the courage to borrow the following from that post:

      Life is about rejoicing in the humanity of all, why not get out of your zone and try to meet people from other places and cultures – you will be pleasantly surprised at how much you will have in common with those who you think are “different”. there is much to learn and appreciate from different places and sources, and broadening our horizons can only enrich us all.

  8. Dr. Nayyar, Despite the difference in opinion and belief, I Iike your blog and try to react on all interesting articles, which itself is a proof of my accomodative nature, but at the same time it is also a fact that among all religions of the world, I am uncomfortable with Islam. Why is it so, is a matter to be analysed by you people and not by me. The duplicity in the behavior of the followers of Islam is quite visible. Perhaps it is due to the fact that no one can chant Allah-o-Akber five times a day in this modern world which is a religious obligation for all Muslims and hence the true Muslims do not exist. Those who are existing are merly posing to be Muslims.

    Any way, thanks for giving space to my views on your blog.

    • Anil, If you are uncomfortable with Islam, I must say Requiem to the secular character of the Indian Union whic has one fifth of its population that believes in one Allah and his Last Messenger [S]. I’m afraid Anil! if the remaining 4/5 th of Indian poeple woud also start feeling uncomfortable with Islam as you do, there could be another Pakistan in India???

      By and large, I believe Indian Muslims are patriots. Had this not been the case, there won’t have been Muslims who won gallantry awards fighting bravely for their Mother India. But instead of rcognising them as equals, you are feeling uncomfortable with those very patriots of India only because they have a faith other than yours.

      Take for example the case of SRK. He is one of the most popular men of showbiz in India, he is proud to be Indian, India has given him name. Not only SRK, so many Pakistani men of the showbiz like Adnan Sami, Ali Zafar, Atif Aslam, Ghulam Ali, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan [who BTW hailed from my home town Lyallpur now Faisalabad and whose excellent rendition of some ghazals, I happened to have enjoyed at his residence in Mohalla Lasoorhi Shah near Jhang Bazar in Faisalabad], and now from the same lineage is Rahat Fateh Ali Khan. All have been a great success in India as they have been in Pakistan. But even SRK is compelled to feel some unease from this ‘uncomfort’ you too are demonstrating about a faith which has played such a dominant role in the beautiful mosaic of different nationalities, religions, cultures and languages that India is made up of.

      Calling to prayers five times a day [Azaan] is a call to prostrate before Allah for his forgiveness and for his blessings. Why should you object if you are a true secularist. If you are not, then you are sailing my dear Anil in the same boat which is the sole proprietory of our Salfist Muslims who believe all Muslims except they, have duplicity of character and as such are bound to be slain by the same Salfists who are one and the only one, the bonafide believers of Islam and the true interpreters of the faith.

      Coming back to SRK, irrespective of what our so much vocal to the extent of being funny interior minister says about SRK, writing in an American journal, the iconic Bollywood star says:SEE http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/read-shah-rukh-khan-s-article-which-appeared-in-outlook-turning-points-2013-323900

      We create little image boxes of our own. One such box has begun to draw its lid tighter and tighter at present. It is the box that contains an image of my religion in millions of minds.

      I encounter this tightening of definition every time moderation is required to be publicly expressed by the Muslim community in my country. Whenever there is an act of violence in the name of Islam, I am called upon to air my views on it and dispel the notion that by virtue of being a Muslim, I condone such senseless brutality.

      I am one of the voices chosen to represent my community in order to prevent other communities from reacting to all of us as if we were somehow colluding with or responsible for the crimes committed in the name of a religion that we experience entirely differently from the perpetrators of these crimes.

      And then continues SRK:

      I became so sick of being mistaken for some crazed terrorist who coincidentally carries the same last name as mine that I made a film, subtly titled My name is Khan (and I am not a terrorist) to prove a point. Ironically, I was interrogated at the airport for hours about my last name when I was going to present the film in America for the first time. I wonder, at times, whether the same treatment is given to everyone whose last name just happens to be McVeigh (as in Timothy)??

      I don’t intend to hurt any sentiments, but truth be told, the aggressor and taker of life follows his or her own mind. It has nothing to do with a name, a place or his/her religion.

      It is a mind that has its discipline, its own distinction of right from wrong and its own set of ideologies. In fact, one might say, it has its own “religion”. This religions has nothing to do with the ones that have existed for centuries and been taught in mosques or churches. The call of the azaan or the words of the pope have no bearing on this person’s soul. His soul is driven by the devil. I, for one, refuse to be contextualized by the ignorance of his ilk.

      My first learning of Islam from my father was to respect women and children and to uphold the dignity of every human being. I learnt that the property and decency of others, their points of view, their beliefs, their philosophies and their religions were due as much respect as my own and ought to be accepted with an open mind.

      I learnt to believe in the power and benevolence of Allah, and to be gentle and kind to my fellow human beings, to give of myself to those less privileged than me and to live a life full of happiness, joy, laughter and fun without impinging on anybody else’s freedom to live in the same way.

      So I am a Khan, but no stereotyped image is factored into my idea of who I am. Instead, the living of my life has enabled me to be deeply touched by the love of millions of Indians. I have felt this love for the last 20 years regardless of the fact that my community is a minority within the population of India.

      I have been showered with love across national and cultural boundaries, from Suriname to Japan and Saudi Arabia to Germany, places where they don’t even understand my language. They appreciate what I do for them as an entertainer – that’s all.

      My life has led me to understand and imbibe that love is a pure exchange, untempered by definition and unfettered by the narrowness of limiting ideas. If each one of us allowed ourselves the freedom to accept and return love in its purity, we would need no image boxes to hold up the walls of our security.

  9. Tahirul Qadri could be the next Quaid-e-Azam of a new Pakistan. Give him a chance and he will try to rule differently from Islamabad. It is only Maulana Qadri who seems to make a difference among the whole lot of Pakistani leaders at present.

    • You mean to say that Tahir would act like Quaid and will create new nation for his sect. what a pick you have picked from our junkyard of leadership.if you need it we can export it to your side so that it might bring change in your side too.

      • Nazia, I really enjoyed your brief, witty comment. On your generous offer, am sure Anil would say, he already has a sufficient stock of his own Qadris. If he doesn’t, let’s jointly ship our reverend TUQ to him.

      • Ask your buddy he need him with container or without container.??

  10. @Nazia, dear Dr. Nayyar is also ready to help you in this regard . However, as I stated, me including the people world over are uncomfortable with the existing form of Islam. Tell me one country where non Muslims are enjoying the company of followers of such Islam. Your all weather friend China is also suffering from the menace called Islam and we are no exception.
    Since we know we have a significant number of followers of Islam and many of them are blindly following the Millitant Islam and have roots in Pakistan that is why I wish to see a new Quaid-e- Azam to reform the version of Islam being followed by a significant number of Pakistanis. Once it happens in your country, I personally would pay the cost of shipping T. Qadri to my country as well. Scholars like Maulana Waheed-ud-deen would be there to welcome him at the airport.

    • Koi batlao, ke hum batla’ ain kiya…..

    • You have full right to confront on Islam but not on basis of present trend to curse a particular religion and its followers. We all know well that this dangerous game of segregating people on the basis of religious belief has been widely spread and becoming threat for many communities, but motives behind this game is quite clear and it is to improve the economy of first world by creating civil war like situation in third world countries or under corrupt leaderships. No religion is bad but it depends on which side it is being tended by wrong people. As we have strong militant groups in our side so same is toward your side too, but difference comes when it is controlled by secular powers which have become successful in taking governance no matter it is weak or fragile, but it has the capacity to counter this religious extremism in much better way. Here problem is that its control is in the hands of military minds and history tells that under militarism religious fanaticism grows at a faster rate so that is our hard luck and at least I acknowledge it.
      Our friend in need of greed China is not afraid of this mess that is just tricky games of US via Pakistani route as they are expert on nipping the evil from bud. So you should only concentrate on your real problems/weakness related to religious themes.We don’t need your consent but whenever feel there is need of Qadri like religious scholar in your side we will parcel it on ASAP basis.

  11. For me, its really difficult to accept the real image of Islam, an image that prevails the world over. In fact the disintegration of USSR resulting in liberation of many Muslim contries, the Kashmir Issue, Israel, and the ongoing Chechenia and Georgia issues clearly suggest that preachers of Islam have created a generation of millitant Muslims who cannot coexist with the people of other faiths and tend to divide the country or the countries they live in.

    Petro dollar is further catalysing this tendency so the armed confrontation has almost replaced the verbal confrontation. You cannot overshadow the prevailing reality just by saying that Hindu millitants, and the Christian millitants are also there in existence.

    In fact the sporadic emergence of millitancy in other faiths is reactionary in origin and not due to basic faults in these faiths. A Hindu can turn to any religion if he realises conflicts in his religion but a Muslim cannot do so, as there is no provision of reform in Islam because to the followers of Islam theirs’ is a perfect religion. And a Muslim will die as a Muslim because of circumcision.

    The present condition of the followers of Islam is the accumulation of negativity over the years. Due to the said reason they indulge in over shadowing it .

    (I would like to stop this debate if you still fail to accept the reality).

    • Anil, although Nazia has the right to respond to your observations as above, yet some of your fulminatios have forced me to jot down my own opinion in this regard.

      You time and again indulge in dragging all of us here in Pakistan to comment on issues, where we have a totally different view than yours. I cannot say about the views of other Indians because I do not think they are as Islamophobic as you are.

      Unfortunately your angles of approach incite most of us here in Pakistan to negate/refute your view, which, however, could implicate India, its policies and the relations with respect to Pakistan. So silence on our part does not mean that we have accepted your viewpoint but our silence means creating love and understanding and not to highlight the already morbid relations between our two countries [this is already being done by the mainstream media in Pakistan as well as in India].

      Despite our differences on many issues, I have as much love for India as I have for my own country. Not because I believe in an Akhand Bharat, [I’m too much proud of being Pakistani than to think on such lines] not because I second all what you say and believe, but because I firmly believe that peoples of South Asia have a common destiny, inspite of our having own distinct indentities.

      In most of your comments you condemn the Taliban for demolishing the Bamiyan statues of Buddha. We in Pakistan are very proud of our Pakistani heritage and this includes our Islamic, Hindu, Sikh and Buddhist heritage. As landmarks of our ancient history, as pieces of our remarkable Gandhara art, and as monuments / source of the magnificient Gandhara civilsation which we share with Afghanistan, we abhor the demolition of Bamiyan Bhuddhas. We never liked this to happen, neither we would like this to happen in our dear motherland, but whereas we acknowledge the mindlessness of the Taliban in hacking these statues to permanent death, we not for a single occasion did ever discuss on these pages the demolition of Babri Mosque in Ayudhia.

      I do not want to go into the history of what was constructed there, the Ram Mandir or the Babri Mosque. Whatever was there before, is a matter of history but since centuries the Babri Masjid stood there. If demolition of Bamiyan was vandalism, was not hacking down the Masjid also vandalism?

      Mosques and mandirs gurdawaras and the churches standing in India are a manifest of the coexistence of different faiths and demolition of any one of such worshipping places means its not the mosque that’s being pulled down, its not the church that’s being pulled down but its the very face of secular India that’s being pulled down.

      If a mandir is demolished in Pakistan by the fanatics who call themselves the Taliban of Pakistan, its as much condemnable and we do condemn this in the strongest possible terms because a mandir, a church or a gurdawara of Pakistan is the symbol of Pakistani heritage. Similarly a mosque, a gurdawara or a church in India is heritage of India. Putting tags of religion to symbols/landmarks and monuments of history is as much despicale in Pakistan as its in India.

      Since I personally stand for amicable relations between your country and mine, therefore, many a time I do not express anything because in that case the very charter of the blog is damaged.

      Whatever you believe is your personal opinion and we may not agree with all what you say; as you may not agree with all what we say and believe, therefore, after Nazia has expressed her views [its her turn now anyway; but if she may so desire], this discussion will be closed.

      Let us indulge into a healthy exchange of views, ideas, and constructive approach toward others’ beliefs/faiths/religions including Islam.

      Meassages of hate, gratuitous remarks, finding faults in this or the other religion is a counter-productive activity and, therefore, as a good natured person of which I am sure you are, Anil, please concentrate on issues that can contribute towards bridging the differences amongst peoples, nations and communities…..
      Maira paegham muhabbbat hae jahan tak pohnchay.

  12. Dr Nayyar, It is because of the good feelings you have expressed that time and again I continue to visit your blog for the last several years, but even then we failed to land on a common platforn due to some basic difference in approach on different issues. Say, for example: You tried to compare the brutality of the Taliban to the unarmed Ram bhakti that tried to reach the Dhacha where Ram was born and Muslims claim to be a mosque. Were it really a mosque then why Namaz was not held there before the controversy arose. Any way further debate on this contentious issue will again derail us and therefore no more words from me except that the matter is still subjudice and we hope that a Grand Ram Mandir will come up there for Hindus to converge from all across the world.
    I would also like to congratulate you that you are getting success in keeping the temples, Gurdawaras, and churches intact even though the number of worshippers there have drastically come down….

    • Your all issues on religious differences are man made and these have no link with philosophy of any religion.Taliban are Saudi production, bred and nurtured by them and they are spread to sabotage the peace /economical environment of other Muslim countries .You can say indirectly that through such illegitimate militancy Saudis are trying to demolish such Muslim states that defy their religious version or we can say this way they can manage their family rule and role in the Muslim world.
      Here in the subcontinent, it is history that controversial religious conflicts were/are politically cultivated to reap the desired results. BJP knows weakness of Hindus and same like that here few Islamic groups are aware of reaction of Muslims, so they both pick and drop some issues in weak areas and you can see deadly riots in same vicinity where from generations, families regardless of their religious beliefs have /had been living happily there, enjoying each other’s customs and traditions. I watched myself some Hindu families eating halal meat dishes in Muslim family and same like Muslims who gift sweets to their Hindus fellows on religious occasions.
      These days what you are seeing is not response of general public but it is need of some international powers to make Pakistan hell for peace loving people so that they would get their base camps here for keeping an eye on India and China.
      You had one Col Prohit in your army who had burnt down hundreds of Muslims but here we have a large numbers of Col Prohits on our side, who are being protected by like minded generals, so we would take some time to clear them all.
      By the way you didn’t tell us that you need Qadri with container or without as without his bomb proof room, he is not more than man of straw.This is our weak areas and we accept it whole heartedly.

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